Women, Shut Up and Do As You're Told…In Your Dreams!

Kearney, you and Fin are the men that stand by equality in a relationship and are greatly rewarded. I believe that women want to be best friends with their partners, to laugh, play and roll like puppies. When times are tough they work out issues without beating each other up over the trials of life. My great admiration goes to you.

I was under the impression that piddling on the rug, snoring and farting were a sign of true love, Fin? I'm not incorrect am I?

Thanks common sense, there will not be Misogynist laws without an uproar. I think the majority of us are sick and tired of beating up anyone simply for being human. If this bunch thinks we'll go down without a fight they are as in for a big surprise. Perhaps they believe we are the cause of wishing equality for all and if the squash us they can squash all others. Whatever their strategy it is the absolute worse agenda for the country.

I think our track records might be what have these guys going bonkers in trying to suppress women, kj. After all many of them are so laden with what the religious call "sins" it would take a millennium for us to catch up if we even wanted to do this. When they can believe we are beneath them they can have a free for all with their behaviors and irresponsibility and simply blame it on women.

I have a friend I've known for 40 years. He's a nice guy but a bit of a slacker. One thing I noticed is that if he's screwed up he likes to find someone else to blame and dramas he creates are never his fault. He's tried this game plan on me a few times and when it didn't work he said he was "afraid of me". OMG what a crack up this was as all I did was point out he needs to own up and stop attacking others for his screw ups. I think these religious radicals have the same makeup. They can't function without someone to pound on when they screw up. Well, I know a whole lot of people that they will say they are afraid of once we get finished with them over this debacle.

The more educated and equally treated the better our children grow, mf. I have always been very independent and have taken it tough for this at times as I am now 68 years old. However, I have continually educated myself, listened to other and kept up on current events and championed causes I felt were unfair. Due to this my three adult children are curious, adventuresome, inquisitive, motivated, creative and unafraid to stand on their own in life. I wasn't raised around many of this type but learned from my father that everyone is equal and is valued. To try to reverse this is a crime.

Aloha US, thanks for your comments.

Many of my friends have switched rolls where the father is home and the mother is the major breadwinner. It is surprising to some I understand but after 20 years working in the public school system and thousands of families it was not as unusual as some believe. Also many of us raised our children on our own as our mates wanted to be independent so our children have been guided to know it doesn't matter which one makes the most income as long as they share the responsibilities of the relationship. I think the years of "get even" are waning as I did live through those where women superiors were clones of the worst male supervisors I'd ever worked for. It seems after the Women's Liberation Movement woman were a bit testy and still are of course, but the majority of us simply want loving mates and a healthy happy relationship and environment to raise our children if we choose to have children.

Due to many more opportunities open to women for careers and professions it is easier for women to support themselves and their families. As women gain more respect from society it has been a blessing for all involved. Taking our choices away will set the tone for believing we are incapable of responsibility and sound choices and this makes us furious. We don't wish to compete with men only work along side them equally.

Aloha ERich, US is a great friend, indeed.

My son posted this link this morning and it sums up what we think is a hugely bad idea. ERich you are just a bit younger than my oldest daughter and she and my two younger adult children were raised that equality means harmony and this is what they live by.

When men see women as subordinate it does not benefit them one bit. Women seen as subordinate don't like men all that well due to this. I don't think men or women want this type of view of each other.

This is what we don't wish to be the norm once again...

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We've raised our children as equals, knowing guidance and structure and personal responsibility is paramount. Our children learn to share, care and work together as friends. Children develop knowing we are all one and are carefree and connected. When they see injustice they stand against this. We aren't raising our young to be subservient so they don't think this way at all. The young people I know are outraged with the idea that anyone could be so mindlessly cold hearted as to believe we aren't all valued and deserve to be treated equally. These children are now successful adults and I don't think many of the anti-women group understand they will be defeated.

Sincerus, great comment and I know many of us feel the same way. We are all one and there is no need to separate us in any manner. Our country was built on diversity and this diversity is what makes us great. We learn from each other and teach what we know, what else is important?

I believe that this group that wishes to isolate themselves from everyone and make the rules have no idea the damage they are doing. They simply cannot stand to treat everyone equally and it offends them that they must mingle with the underlings. I realize this has been class rules for a long time but the majority of us have come to the conclusion that when we don't embrace one another and treat each other as equals we lose far more than we gain.

I heard a woman remark that rape was expected in the military as the soldiers were in such close quarters. This bizarre opinion is rampant with those that think men can't curb their sexual urges and to me is a huge insult to men not an excuse. I know women will be championed in this fight but those starting it don't realize this yet. Thanks.

Absolutely Cobalt, dear buddy. Here's a question I have for these men...lol

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Don't you just love it, Cobalt? I hope it spreads like wildfire. It is a good giggle and a big message.

I agree ERich, Defense Council continually comes through with beautiful and meaningful words.

There was a time when those suffering from the controlling ones were helpless in their plight. We had a much more difficult time educating the masses to the wrongs we were experiencing. Now the internet keeps us connected and we can reach out and educate much easier. Modern technology has afforded us the opportunity to speak out and be heard. Most of us realize that the more we connect and share the brighter our world. Those continually attempting to suppress and stop our progress are finding it more of a challenge and this is very beneficial. We have become "dragon slayers" Defense Counsel, my dear friend, and we are taking them down with more skill and better strategies than ever before. Thank you for your ever insightful words.

You are my dear family member without a doubt, Defense Counsel. I often believe that our true brothers and sisters aren't always the ones we were raised with. I do know the father that raised me was my greatest and most beloved teacher and when our time was right we were brought together. His words of wisdom allowed me to embrace all on this planet and I have benefited greatly. He managed to gift me with the spirit that gives us great love, power and wisdom and for this I am eternally blessed.

Now we are coming together and bringing forth change, making it more difficult for those that mean harm to become incapacitated and unable to do harm to others. It is a slow process and a huge struggle but for many of us we know our devotion to equality and connection is worth everything.

The great thing that happened due to no longer being able to compete is that many of the men let me drive their cars for "fun runs" which didn't count for trophies. Since I'd manage to best all in the women's class I was perfectly content with driving corvettes, Lotus Europa, fromual V, Alpha Romeros and any other car I was offered. I beat the socks off my guy but he didn't mind as long as it didn't count to him, but it counted a lot for my buddies. They truly cheered me on and had no problem with me beating their times and thought this rocked. Some men just don't get it when it comes to being a friend to women.

Thanks, Defense Counsel, I learned a lot of tricks for a female born in 1944. No matter how hard someone tried to put me down I was respectful yet found due to this another better opportunity presented itself. Biding my time was always rewarded. lol

Using women as a target to continue abuse has opened our eyes to how many men, women and children are targets of the same. I believe using women as an example has been beneficial as it also brings up the fact that minorities of both sexes are treated abominably. For me, thinking about how so many of us have been bullied and treated poorly is a start in turning this around.

I was with my daughter last weekend for her birthday. The setting was in an upscale resort area and she'd asked me to come along as the friend throwing the birthday party for her had invited his friends and she need a friend. This type of environment is not my favorite, understand, as I feel many of the very wealthy behave as though they have no souls or compassion for others. The gathering was fine until a few young men got tanked up on alcohol and began talking about minorities and using them for target practice. We left of course, but it boggled my mind that these young men were fresh from their religious gatherings in the morning and thought nothing of bashing others in the afternoon.

There is no excuse for abuse in my opinion. I have zero tolerance for abuse and no man, woman or child should be subjected to this yet many think nothing of maligning others and treating them poorly. As we stand tall and refuse to accept abuse our world becomes brighter and more successful. Pounding on others to make ourselves bigger just doesn't work so well any longer and the more we speak out the more chances we have that this type will catch a clue.

Thank you for your insightful comments. All have valid points and show there is more and more caring going on around us.

Hi Jackie, I completely agree with your comments. Yesterday my friend and I had some shopping to do and decided to go to the harbor for a meal. It was mid-day and the restaurant was teaming with men talking story, drinking their beer and kicking back. The women that were in the restaurant were few and none looked all that happy sitting with their men while their men ignored them. I flashed back to the 60's and 70's where if a woman wanted to see their man on a weekend they had to do what they wished to do or stay home alone. I remember going to every event or gathering with my husband and unless there was another wife of female friend present I sat and listened to the men. If I suggested to my husband that I'd like him to accompany me to a gathering I enjoyed he was fussy and reluctant. If we did go he would sit and pout or keep asking me if we could leave yet wouldn't try to participate. At least I listened attentively and didn't act impatient or disgruntled when I went with him. He loved cars and we competed in rallies and auto-cross. As soon as I became as skilled as he was he demanded I stop participating. I learned a lot from this relationship and understood how the importance of some men to control and dictate how their environment must be conducted and if is is not up to par they are very upset.

Women should not be removed from important decision making in our country and when it directly connects to their well-being a man should not be the only voice.

Oh my goodness, that is the man I wrote about in my article and he resembles one of my ex-husbands! lol I asked my second husband why he never lifted a finger to help around the house with his child, my child, the domestic shores, shopping and all that. We both held the same level position in our jobs and worked the same amount of hours. His reply, "Because I make more money than you do". That really cracked me up. He wasn't all that happy that I stood up for myself either. I'm not sorry I have stood up for myself and others though so if the ones trying to oppress others don't like the heat too bad. Thanks JJ.

I often remember my elementary and high school days when my male friends were the best buddies and we'd never think of bossing each other around. We had great times playing baseball or building something, tearing something apart. We'd build forts in the woods and pretend wild animals were chasing us or pretend we were wild animals chasing each other. Our connection was all laughter, adventure, curiosity and creativity. I was sorely disappointed when I married a man I thought was my friend and ended up being a demanding and dictatorial figure that was basically a pain in the backside. It seemed as if many men went from joyful and fun into adults with lists that dictated what was "women's work" and a need to boss and criticize. That was far too boring for my tastes.

I'm still living that childhood story, JJ and when my friends are mean and don't play nice I take my toys and go home. lol

I guess the excitement part happens in our younger years so when we get all rickety we are content to simply glide through the rest of our days, Fin. I have never felt lonely when alone as there is continually something I can do to entertain myself. I do love the computer and the internet as I can be entertained for hours reading news,researching, writing, hanging around Newsvine and sending e-mail. Contentment truly comes from being connected to our loved ones and knowing we are doing just what we are designed to do. You and your wife sound like the best of the best.

Yours is a beautiful story, Dave, thank you so much for bringing it to my article. I think it is very difficult for the abuser and the abused to make changes as they've known nothing else. When one can make a successful turn around that is about the best success story we can experience.

Norman and maria lyn, Thanks for your insightful input and I agree with your assessments.

Chris Matthews is understandably upset, Norman, as too many very good, upstanding men are taking the brunt of this targeting women with hate and control. Too many men have worked diligently to move away from the dictator/controller rolls of the past and know women are not only equal but beneficial to their success in life. Women work hard to be good companions and often time surpass the abilities of their mates yet never malign or belittle them for this. I know so many women that work, raise their children and are highly successful. Their husbands/mates chip in and aren't intimidated in the least and some do not have as high an income as the wife/mate. This is how it should be and I think the men that resent women are afraid they'll appear inadequate and outdone and this is ludicrous.

Maria lyn, having to babysit a man's ego is a tough endeavor. I have a friend I've known for 40 years and sometimes when events don't go his way he behaves like a 12 year old going through puberty. He often doesn't understand that he needs to take responsibility for his actions and behaviors and stop looking for someone to blame. I think many of the men that are trying to take away women's rights are like this too, afraid they'll no longer have a scapegoat for their screw ups.